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Tuesday, April 5, 2016

African American Slang In YouTube Comments For James Brown & The Famous Flames' 1964 T.A.M.I.'s Concert Performance

Edited by Azizi Powell

Latest Revision: September 30, 2018

This post provides information about James Brown & The Famous Flames and showcases a video of that groups' performance at the 1964 T.A.M.I. concert.

Selected comments from that YouTube video's viewer discussion thread are also included in this post. In particular, I've selected a number of comments from that discussion thread that include African American Vernacular English (AAVE) words & phrases and a few comments from that discussion thread that include English idioms.

The content of this post is presented for historical, cultural, entertainment, and aesthetic purposes.

All copyrights remain with their owners.

Thanks to James Brown & The Famous Flames for their musical legacy. Thanks also to the producers of this video all those who are quoted in this post, and the publisher of this video on YouTube.

[UPDATE: September 30, 2018] Special thanks to commenter Topkat for sharing information about The Famous Flames in the comment section of this post.

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INFORMATION ABOUT JAMES BROWN & THE FAMOUS FLAMES
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Brown
"James Joseph Brown[1] (May 3, 1933 – December 25, 2006) was an American singer, songwriter, record producer, dancer and bandleader. The founding father of funk music and a major figure of 20th century popular music and dance, he is often referred to as the "Godfather of Soul".[2] In a career that spanned six decades, Brown influenced the development of several music genres.[3]

Brown began his career as a gospel singer in Toccoa, Georgia. Joining an R&B vocal group called the Avons that later evolved to become the Flames, Brown served as the group's lead singer.[4][5] First coming to national public attention in the late 1950s as a member of the singing group the Famous Flames with the hit ballads "Please, Please, Please" and "Try Me", Brown built a reputation as a tireless live performer with the Famous Flames and his backing band, sometimes known as the James Brown Band or the James Brown Orchestra. Brown's success peaked in the 1960s with the live album Live at the Apollo and hit singles such as "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag", "I Got You (I Feel Good)" and "It's a Man's Man's Man's World". During the late 1960s, Brown moved from a continuum of blues and gospel-based forms and styles to a profoundly "Africanized" approach to music-making that influenced the development of funk music.[6] By the early 1970s, Brown had fully established the funk sound after the formation of the J.B.s with records such as "Get Up (I Feel Like Being a) Sex Machine" and "The Payback". Brown also became notable for songs of social commentary, including the 1968 hit "Say It Loud - I'm Black and I'm Proud". Brown continued to perform and record until his death in 2006 from congestive heart failure."...

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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Famous_Flames
"The Famous Flames were an American rhythm and blues vocal group founded in Toccoa, Georgia, in 1953 by Bobby Byrd. James Brown began his career as a member of The Famous Flames, emerging as the lead singer by the time of their first professional recording, "Please, Please, Please", in 1956.

On hit songs such as "Try Me", "Bewildered", "Think", "I Don't Mind", and "I'll Go Crazy", the Flames' smooth backing harmonies contrasted strikingly with Brown's raw, impassioned delivery, and their synchronized dance steps were a prominent feature of their live shows. Altogether, they performed on 12 songs that reached the Billboard R&B and pop charts, in addition to being featured on numerous albums, including the groundbreaking Live at the Apollo.[citation needed] They appeared in the films T.A.M.I. Show and Ski Party as well as on various television programs.[citation needed] Members of the Flames also contributed as songwriters and choreographers. In 2012 the Flames were retroactively inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame alongside Brown.[1] On their Rock & Roll Hall of Fame page, they are described as "a group of singers, performers and dancers that created the complementary elements of one of the greatest stage shows of all time."[2]"...

The Famous Flames are sometimes erroneously identified as James Brown's "band",[3] a confusion partly fostered by their record companies' inconsistent labeling credit practices. Although members of the group did play instruments in some of their earliest shows and recordings, by 1959 Brown had hired a touring band and from that point on the Flames contributed primarily as backing vocalists and dancers.[4] The band was billed separately as the James Brown Band, and later as the James Brown Orchestra.[5]"...

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SHOWCASE VIDEO:
[Note that the video and its discussion thread that was originally showcased in this post are no longer available.]

00:00 "Out of Sight"
03:11 "Prisoner of Love"
06:42 "Please, Please, Please"
12:55 "Night Train"
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UPDATE: Video embedded on September 20, 2018

James Brown & The Famous Flames The Legendary TAMI Show Performance



Versales Oliveira, Published on Nov 21, 2015

James Joseph Brown Jr., mais conhecido simplesmente como James Brown, foi um cantor, dançarino, compositor e produtor musical norte-americano reconhecido como uma das figuras mais influentes do século XX na música.
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Google translate Portuguese from to English: James Joseph Brown Jr., better known simply as James Brown, was an American singer-songwriter, dancer, songwriter and producer recognized as one of the most influential figures of the 20th century in music.

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SELECTED COMMENTS [from the video that was originally embedded in this post].
These comments from that video are numbed by me for referencing purposes only. However, these selected comments may not be given in consecutive order (since some comments aren't quoted).

Particular attention is given to some comments that include African American Vernacular English (AAVE) words & phrases. A few comments with some English idioms are also included in this compilation.. I've also added brief explanatory meanings for some of those words and phrases.
Additions and corrections are welcome for these definitions.

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1. Damien Cunningham
"JB caught the Holy Ghost. Back up singers need fans lmao. Love it tho."
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James Brown was dancing as though he got the Holy Spirit (got happy, got religion), i.e. he moved as though he was on a higher level and didn't know what he was doing

I think the sentence "back up singers need fans lmao" is a play on their name "Flames" and an implication that their dancing needed more life (energy).

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July 2015
2. MusicDude86
"I can use many words to describe this performance, but the first word that comes to mind when I watch this....TIGHT!!! The rhythm section is incredible. Listen to the bass and drums. Locked tight in the pocket. Amazing!!!"
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In the context of an artistic performance, "tight" is a high compliment meaning "flawless", "everything done extremely well"; "on point"

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3. Maria Music Maria
"James was gettin down with the get down!"
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"gettin down with the get down" = another way of saying "really getting down" (performing really really well)

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August 2015
4. Talia Sproaps
"The background singers harmony and choreography was giving me LIFE during please please please. YAAAAASSSS!"

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5. williamg2552
"+Talia Sproaps They are The Famous Flames, the original singing group that James Brown started his career with back in the 1950's They had many hit records together. Their names are BOBBY BYRD (yes , the same Bobby Byrd that James sang "Get On Up" with). BOBBY BENNETT, and LLOYD STALLWORTH. Learn more about the FAMOUS FLAMES at this link: https://www.facebook.com/thefamousflamesbysandibennett"
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"[something or someone who] gives me life" = energizes me

"YAAAAASSSS!" = an intensified form of the word "Yes".

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6. Rocky Elmore
"what strikes me is not the voice, not the moves, not the dynamics, not the music, but his passion and effort. Everything else is only an embellishment of the movements in his soul, James won my heart with passion alone. The rest he had would make this performance legendary as not only a pop performance but as a true work of art."

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7. L0kwense
"The personification of showmanship. Audience in the palm of his hands."
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"audience in the palm of his hands" = the audience was captivated by his performance; he could do anything he wanted with the audience and they would love it

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October 2015
8. aaron merrida
"Mr. Bird and the Flames cuttin up, nice"
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"Mr. Bird" probably refers to Donald Byrd, one of the Flames. "Cuttin up" may mean "cutting the rug" (dancing). Or "cuttin up" may mean "having fun".

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9. RoyalNubian1
"Check out the drummer at 6:34 he totally loses his drumstick and picks up another one and keeps it pushing. So cool. lol"

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10. moe salem
"so i looked up the definition of swag and i got a link to this video, now i understand...."
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"from swagger. The appearance of being very cool, smooth, looking good, dressing nice and often having lots of money to flash which draws them the attention of others. A way of carrying yourself like a star."
http://209.197.79.194/meaning-definition-of/swag

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11. ebf1957
"That is how you bring down the house"
"bring down the house" = performs so well that the audience loudly cheers and applauds

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November 2015
12. Steve Slack
"out of sight"
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out of sight = African American Vernacular term meaning "extremely well done" (something whose praise is so high you can't even see it)

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13. MrWeAllAreOne
"Jackson got the moonwalk from this man.
sick performance."
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"Jackson" = "King of Pop" Michael Jackson

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December 2015
14. james andorf
"James is ......THE MAN........never be duplicated"
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in the context of this comment, "THE MAN" is the best of the best, the boss, the man who leads all other people

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15. James Pearson
"Nobody and I mean nobody could follow that! After" Please,Please" it was a wrap,then he took what was left of the building on,"Nighttrain! "Mr.Dynamite was not playing. Again,Nobody,not Michael Jackson, Prince,or God himself was following that!"
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"it was a wrap" = "a phrase used in ​film making to ​tell ​actors and ​crew that ​filming of a ​particular ​scene, ​film, etc. has ​finished" http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/it-s-a-wrap

"Mr. Dynamite" (one of James Brown's nicknames) was not playing" = he was very serious about what he was doing.

"then he took what was left of the building" = "he captivated the rest of the audience who had not yet been captivated by his performance)

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16. INDIGO' Z
"Esse é o malha funk!"
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Google translate from Portuguese to English = "This is some mesh funk"

The words "knitting" and "stitch" were also given as translation suggestions. Given those words, I think "mesh" here has the same meaning as the African American vernacular use of the word "tight” (in this case, a performance that is extremely well put together)

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17. Nathaniel King
"The Flames have got to be the baddest back up dancers ever!"
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"the baddest" = the very best

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18. williamg25525 months ago
"+Nathaniel King They were singers too !!! A fact that is not widely known, was that JAMES BROWN was a Famous Flame TOO . He was the group's Lead Singer."

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19. Nathaniel King
"100 percent right!"

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January 2016
20. ehigh8
"This performance was perfect from top to bottom!! That drummer was sick.."
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"sick" = very very good

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21. Marc Pina
"It’s an act Brown distilled from both charismatic Baptist church services and professional wrestling, and it’s a hell of a performance, one he pulled out, with all his other shimmying, strutting, moonwalking stops, in order to best the night’s lineup of big names like the Beach Boys, Chuck Berry, Marvin Gaye, the Supremes, and the Rolling Stones, who had the misfortune of having to follow Brown’s act. Keith Richards later called it the biggest mistake of their career. You can see why.
http://www.openculture.com/2014/08/james-brown-debuts-his-cape-act-and-blows-away-the-rolling-stones.html"
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in the context of that usage, to blow away [someone] = leaves them far behind (because of the power of your performance)

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22. freetofu
""Come on, James, let's go, you've had enough.""
"NO, I WANNA SANG!!!"
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"Sang" = African American Vernacular English present tense form of the word "sing" which means "to sing very well, especially to sing soulfully very well"

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February 2016
23. rrrickster3137
"Mr. James Brown is the Greatest entertainer & Baddest dancer on thee Planet we may never see the likes of again.......A true Legend......RIP JB......."

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24. williamg2552
"The FAMOUS FLAMES were NOT just "James Brown's backup singers" . They CO-STARRED right along with HIM !! He (Brown) was a Famous Flame TOO !! Brown NEVER performed live without them on EVERY show...for over a dozen years !!! Their group name was on EVERY RECORD. The group's name was on EVERY THEATRE MARQUEE...right along with his . James Brown & The Famous Flames were a GROUP !!!"

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25. sqadupndaatl
"Soul Brother #1, you made Augusta GA look good"
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"Soul brother" = a Black man
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Augusta, Georgia was James Brown's hometown.

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March 2016
26. Buzz Davis
"Jaaaaaaaaammmesssssssssss Brown---killing it!"

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27. Glen Carta
"This 17 min clip packs more power and tightness and badassness then any 2 hr clip ive ever seen.....now i must scour the floor for my jaw !!!!"

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28. Steven Judge
Jamming to the point of exhaustion, then, giving just a little bit more. Love James Brown!!!!!!
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"Jamming" = refers to that entire performance (soulfully singing, playing musical instruments & dancing)

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29. RenR70
"That's what you call killin it! Follow that Mick!"
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"killin it" = doing something extremely well; "owning it"

"Follow that Mick" refers to Mick Jaggers' insistence that he and his group The Rolling Stones would be the last act in that concert. Given James Brown & the Flames' outstanding performance, that was a BIG mistake.

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30. PaPaWooLy
"PURE SOUL"
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"PURE SOUL" - indicating that James Brown is the essence of Black soulfulness and all that that entails (the capital letters amplifies that statement)

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7 comments:

  1. "Mr. Bird and the Flames cuttin up, nice"
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    "Mr. Bird" probably refers to Donald Byrd, one of the Flames. "Cuttin up" may mean "cutting the rug" (dancing). Or "cuttin up" may mean "having fun".
    No. Donald Byrd was a jazz musician. He NEVER sang in The Famous Flames.
    The Byrd in The Flames was BOBBY BYRD.
    He was the group's founder, and the man who actually DISCOVERED James Brown .

    To learn MORE about THE FAMOUS FLAMES the Vocal Group with which JAMES BROWN first started his career, Check out their Offical Facebook Page :
    https://www.facebook.com/thefamousflamesbysandibennett/

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    1. Topkat, thanks for your comments & corrections. I appreciate you sharing that information.

      Here's the hyperlink for the famousflames
      https://www.facebook.com/thefamousflamesbysandibennett/

      One love!

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  2. THE LAST TWO FAMOUS FLAMES

    When The FAMOUS FLAMES broke up in 1968, BOBBY BYRD, the Flames' founder,(and the man who actually DISCOVERED James Brown, returned 18 months later, at Brown's request , and they
    began to record a series of DUET hits together Here are some clips...

    1) GET ON UP (Sex Machine)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajzpd-ONOdo

    LIVE IN ITALY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pvIarW3xHg

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  3. More links to THE FAMOUS FLAMES and their history:
    The FAMOUS FLAMES were a SINGING GROUP. They were NOT instrumentalists or JB Bandmembers.

    MEMBERS were: JAMES BROWN , BOBBY BYRD (Group Founder) BOBBY BENNETT, and LLOYD "Baby Lloyd" STALLWORTH.(JOHNNY TERRY was also a member, but he stepped away from the group as a performer, but stayed on as a writer of much of their material,returning occasionally as a substitute and sometimes fifth member).

    Shortly after The Induction of THE FAMOUS FLAMES into the ROCK and ROLL HALL of FAME in 2012, and about 9 months before his death, I interviewed BOBBY BENNETT, the LAST living member of The FLAMES, for GOLDMINE, the famous Oldies Music Magazine.
    You can see that interview HERE:

    http://www.goldminemag.com/blogs/bobby-bennett-the-last-of-the-famous-flames-speaks-of-james-brown-more

    Here are the Wikipedia bios on each member of THE FAMOUS FLAMES...as well as the GROUP BIO:

    THE FAMOUS FLAMES
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Famous_Flames

    JAMES BROWN

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Brown

    BOBBY BYRD

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Byrd

    BOBBY BENNETT
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Bennett_(The_Famous_Flames)

    LLOYD "Baby Lloyd" STALLWORTH

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Lloyd_Stallworth

    Here are videos of The FAMOUS FLAMES' 2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
    induction, with BOBBY BENNETT accepting for himself , and deceased group members BOBBY BYRD, LLOYD STALLWORTH, and JOHNNY TERRY , along with the inductions of THE MIRACLES, THE MIDNIGHTERS, THE COMETS, and the BLUE CAPS , decades after the incorrect SOLO inductions of their lead singers, JAMES BROWN, SMOKEY ROBINSON,HANK BALLARD,and GENE VINCENT.
    (as the ONLY remaining Lead Singer of ANY of these groups,SMOKEY ROBINSON of THE MIRACLES did the inductions for all of the groups, including his OWN)
    1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzHcuyshRRg

    2) https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2012+group+inductions

    Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Video of Interview with BOBBY BENNETT of THE FAMOUS FLAMES:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDTJaDUaoVM




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  4. More VIDEOS of JAMES BROWN & THE FAMOUS FLAMES :

    From the 1965 Comedy film "SKI PARTY"with FRANKIE AVALON, YVONNE "Batgirl" CRAIG, DWAYNE CRAIG, and DEBORAH WALLEY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oR3AHkl9EI&t=3s

    AIN'T THAT A GROOVE (Ed Sullivan Show-1966)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKoH-jisDvg

    OLYMPIA THEATRE, PARIS , FRANCE -1966

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEzRyWTI_Bk

    PAPA'S GOT A BRAND NEW BAG (minus Lloyd Stallworth) Paris -1967

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKb65mFb_tU

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  5. At the time of The Famous Flames' induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, The Cleveland newspaper, The Plain Dealer, published this Tribute Article:

    https://www.cleveland.com/rockhall/index.ssf/2012/04/the_famous_flames_james_brown.html

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  6. The general consensus at the time was that, since JAMES BROWN actually BEGAN his career as a MEMBER of The FAMOUS FLAMES, The Flames SHOULD have been INDUCTED with him back in 1986. From Wikipedia:

    "In 1986, the first committee of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame announced that James Brown would be one of the Hall of Fame's first charter members to be inducted. However, Brown's former singing group, the Famous Flames, were not included in this induction. The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame's criterion states that only artists whose first recording had been out for more than 25 years were eligible for induction. Brown's first solo recording did not meet that criterion. Rock & Roll Hall of Fame president and chief executive officer Terry Stewart contended that Brown was indeed eligible for induction BUT as a member of The Famous Flames. Concerning the Hall of Fame's failure to induct The Flames with Brown back in 1986, Stewart went on to say: "There was no legislative intent why they weren't included; somehow they just got overlooked."

    In 2011, a special committee was set up to correct exclusions which might have occurred during the first two years of Rock Hall inductions (1986 and 1987) due to the impact of the bands' lead singers or front men. The Famous Flames (Byrd, Bennett, Terry and Stallworth) were inducted in April 2012 alongside other "backing groups" such as The Midnighters (Hank Ballard), The Comets (Bill Haley), The Crickets (Buddy Holly), The Blue Caps (Gene Vincent) and The Miracles (Smokey Robinson). Since all these lead singers were actually MEMBERS of these groups, these were not really "backing groups" at all. This was highlighted by Smokey Robinson, who did the induction honors for all of the groups, including his own Miracles, who stated, "These people do not stand behind you. They stand with you." "These are NOT backing groups. These ARE the groups." Bennett, as the Famous Flames' only surviving member, accepted the honor in person in Cleveland on April 14, 2012. Bennett further stated the induction was not only a correction for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame committee's mishap in 1986 but also a reunion: "For years, I felt like we were all separated," said Bennett. "I feel like we're whole again, I wish we could all be here as one group. Yes, James Brown was the most FAMOUS of the Flames, but we were ALL Famous Flames."
    Onstage, during the induction ceremony, Miracles lead singer Smokey Robinson, said, "If James Brown was the "Hardest Working Man in Show Business", The Famous Flames were the hardest-working GROUP".

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