Two Sockz Productions, Oct. 17, 2020
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WSSU = Winston Salem State University, Winston Salem, North Carolina
SAU= Saint Augustine University, Raleigh, North Carolina
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Latest revision -May 26, 2022
This is Part I of a three part pancocojams series which corrects the mistaken belief that stomp & shake cheerleading is the cheer style that is performed at every historically Black college and university (HBCU).
This post showcases a 2020 YouTube video of a cheer battle between cheer squads from two universities in North Carolina. This post also presents information about the CIAA, SWAC, and MEAC collegiate athletic conferences.
In addition, this pancocojams posts presents selected comments on stomp and shake cheerleading from a 2005 hbcusports.com discussion thread and a 2014 hbcusports.com discussion thread.
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INFORMATION ABOUT THREE COLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCES
This information is provided since these conferences are repeatedly mentioned in the comments that are quoted in this post.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Association
"The Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association (CIAA) is a collegiate athletic conference, mostly consisting of historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs). CIAA institutions affiliate at the Division II level of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA).[1]
The twelve member institutions reside
primarily along the central portion of the East Coast of the United States, in
the states of Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina and South
Carolina. Since a majority of the members are in North Carolina, the CIAA moved
its headquarters to Charlotte, North Carolina from Hampton, Virginia in August
2015.[2]
The CIAA sponsors 14 annual
championships and divides into north and south divisions for some sports. The
most notable CIAA sponsored championship is the CIAA Basketball Tournament
having become one of the largest college basketball events in the nation.[3]"...
Click that link to read a list of the universities that are members of this athletic conference.
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwestern_Athletic_Conference
"The Southwestern Athletic Conference
(SWAC) is a collegiate athletic conference headquartered in Birmingham,
Alabama, which is made up of historically black colleges and universities
(HBCUs) in the Southern United States. It participates in the NCAA's Division I
for all sports; in football, it participates in the Football Championship
Subdivision (FCS), formerly referred to as Division I-AA.
The SWAC is widely considered the
premier HBCU conference and ranks among the elite in the nation in terms of
alumni affiliated with professional sports teams, particularly in football.[1]
On the gridiron, the conference has been the biggest draw on the Football
Championship Subdivision (FCS) level of the NCAA, leading the nation in average
home attendance every year except one since FCS has been in existence.[2][3] In
1994, the SWAC fell just 40,000 fans short of becoming the first non-Football
Bowl Subdivision conference to attract one million fans to its home games.”…
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Click that link to read a list of the universities that are members of this athletic conference.
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From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Eastern_Athletic_Conference
"The Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference
(MEAC) is a collegiate athletic conference whose full members are historically
black colleges and universities (HBCUs) in the Southeastern and the
Mid-Atlantic United States. It participates in the National Collegiate Athletic
Association's (NCAA) Division I, and in football, in the Football Championship
Subdivision (FCS).[1]
Currently, the MEAC has automatic qualifying bids for NCAA postseason play in baseball (since 1994), men's basketball (since 1981), women's basketball (since 1982), softball (since 1995), men's and women's tennis (since 1998), and volleyball (since 1994). Bowling was officially sanctioned as a MEAC governed sport in 1999. Before that season, the MEAC was the first conference to secure NCAA sanctioning for women's bowling by adopting the club sport prior to the 1996–97 school year.
Region: South
Atlantic, Middle Atlantic
Headquarters Norfolk, Virginia”…
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Click that link to read a list of the universities that are members of this athletic conference.
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SELECTED COMMENTS FROM THESE HUCUSPORTS.COM DISCUSSION THREADS
I included brief explanatory notes after a few of these comments.
Discussion #1
From https://www.hbcusports.com/forums/threads/hbcu-cheeleading.34603/ HBCU cheeleading
Thread starter demondmccombs Start date Jan 5, 2005
Jan 5, 2005
#1
"Yo... Why is it that the SWAC
cheerleading teams follow the more...Well not to offend anyone but
"White" style of cheerleading?
And the CIAA and MEAC teams or more northern school seem to do more of the Black Style of cheerleading with there teams? :kiss:
Not to knock either style because both are good at what they do...Because Southern Cheerleaders are top-noch and Winston-Salem are the best of the best.
We all kind of all follow the same rules.
Just wondering how this anomoli came about since were all HBCU's? :)"
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SLT
Jan 5, 2005
#2
"Clue me in, because I'm at a lost on
this one.
What exactly is Black Style
Cheerleading? :confused:"
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demondmccombs
Jan 5, 2005
#3
"The One...Two...Three. Style of
cheerleading that lacks african rythems and technigues. Most teams in the SWAC
I see do little to any black trademarks when they cheer. As far as adding in
african-american technical skill in there performances.
The rarely ever perform the stomp/shake style of cheeleading that is traditional for the CIAA/MEAC schools. Most of these schools incoporate african rythem patterns in there cheers and motions. Almost impossible to emulate by any of our white courterparts. :jump:
For example: Black bands have handcraffed a style that is universally performed by all black schoools. The high-stepping showbandstyle of performance is a black paramount. All of our HBCU do the "black style" of marching. I really could not see our bands performing the boring "white" corp style. :) :) :) :)
MEAC/CIAA perform more of a black method of cheerleading that has been detailed to perfection. We pretty much follow the same rules as far as bands, greeks, activites, and so on being HBCU's. This is just a weird split?"
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Fortitude
Jan 5, 2005
#4
"Hmmm, really never thought about it. I
think I understand what you're saying though but, I honestly don't know why.
Your thread reminds me of how up north they have double-dutch jump competitons
- something REALLY big up north but, I can barely jump w/one rope by myself let
alone have 2 people turn it for me. Maybe an experienced southern cheerleader
can shed light on this subject."
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demondmccombs
Jan 22, 2005
#6
Who is your black college cheerleading best? :)
HBCU Stomp/Shake
1.Winston-Salem State Universtiy
2. Johnson C. Smith Universtiy
3. North Carolina Central University
HBCU traditional
1. Morgan State Universtiy
2. Southern University
3. Grambling State University
Honorable mention
Virgina State University
North Carolina A&T University
Clark Atlanta University
Jan 22, 2005
#7
SLT said:
Clue me in, because I'm at a lost on
this one.
What exactly is Black Style Cheerleading? :confused:
Its GHETTO ass chants and ass shakin..... thats exactly what it is..... that aint cheering..... anybody can STOMP the floor and say some ghetto rhyming chant.
I went to the Legacy Classic... (a CIAA
basketball tournament that is held at the Charlotte Coliseum during MLK
weekend).... and thats all they did.... opposing cheerleading teams get up in
each others face with LIL to NOTHING on and have ass shakin contest while
stomping the floor... that is c**n cheerleading."
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demondmccombs
Jan 23, 2005
#8
"Its o.k. DAHill,
It's o.k. Alabama will catch up...you guys are always behind down there. c**n...Is that one of those words you learned while being chased by the Klan?
Once again you know nothing about cheerleading...I can tell by your comments. You call that "c**n Cheerleading". At least there not White wanna bee's.
And do you consider highstepping the
c**n Style of Marching? Yes or No?"
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Pancocojams Editor's Note: This comment is written in response to a comment fromDAHILL that is no longer shown in that discussion thread. My guess is that c**n = coon
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Dr. Phreeze
Jan 23, 2005
#10
Vinita said:
That a Black squad doing precision
cheerleading is trying to white is about as narrow minded a train of thought as
any.
:xeye: :p
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Tara
Jan 23, 2005
#11
"Well, I CAN speak from experience. I
cheered three years in high school at a predominantly white high school where
emphasis was placed on precision motions, advanced gymnastics skills, and
difficult stunts and pyramids.
When I made the cheerleading squad at Prairie View A&M University, there were a few things that I had to get used to. The dances were a little more funkier, a lot of the girls did not have as extensive background in gymnastics that I did. However, we practiced hard, took the job seriously, performed many difficult stunts and pyramids. Are cheers and chants were NEVER ghetto."
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Golden Kitten
Feb 9, 2005
#17
"This topic was discussed recently on
Onnidan...
http://onnidan.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002615;p=2
My own sense is that is doesn't take any skill to stand up and shake your @zzz. Nor do I consider that "black" cheerleading. What it says to me is that these folks are dancers perping as "cheerleaders". These folks have taken this to such an extreme that it was recently decreed by the CIAA that these "cheerleaders" can't even take the floor at bball games any more because of their conduct. What other conferences have cheerleaders who have names just like the dance troupes that perform with the band? If @zz shaking is black cheerleading, y'all can have it. :rolleyes:
http://onnidan.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=007917 "
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Pancocojams editor: These links lead to a general page and not to the discussion mentioned in this post.
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Nonchalant
Feb 9, 2005
#18
"LOL @ someone from Alabama calling
anyone from the East Coast a "c**n". :lol:
I'd rather see the traditional style of cheering (JSU/Grambling/Southern) during football season and the CIAA-style during basketball season. Being basketball arenas are smaller than football stadiums the CIAA cheerleaders make the atmosphere live and crunk. I go to sleep during SWAC basketball games.
...Carry On.."
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DAHILL
Feb 9, 2005
#20
[quoting comment #18 and then responding]
shawty you swear you from NEW YORK or
PHILLY.... Yo ass is from North Carolina..... if you think stomping and
girating your ass is considered cheerleading then thats your business.... but I
dont think it is cheerleading. There are some cheerleaders like that in the
SWAC (Bama St basketball cheerleaders)... but when they came up here and played
AAMU, it wasnt **** they could when AAMU was doing pyramids and flipping all over
they asses. They would just come back with some GHETTO stomp and chant."
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Smiley
Feb 9, 2005
#21
"I will soon kick down the 30th year high
school reunion real soon. I am from Dayton, OH and the black schools had really
"Crunk" cheers and steps. There was not a whole lot of
"Booty" shaking but there was not a lot of stiff stuff. You had to do
lot of gymnastics with lots of rhythm and soul. Schools like Cincy Hughes,
Toledo Scott, Louisville Central, etc where great. When I arrived at AAMU and
attended my first football game I was in culture shock. The cheers and moves
were very similar to what I expect from a Dayton Alter and Chaminade Julieanne,
Cincy Moeller, University of Dayton, etc. While times have changed the cheering
style has not changed much. I think cheering has moved closer to the other
style because of $$$ in camps and competitions."
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AAMU = Alabama A&M University
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Nonchalant
Feb 10, 2005
#23
[quoting comment #21 and then responding]
"DAHILL, quit cryin, yo. North Carolina
geographically is in the South as is Florida, VA and Maryland but culturally
no. I'm not saying we're just like like Philly or NY but our culture (speech/lingo,
our music, style of dress, education, fast pace way of life) is totally
different from the South. The CIAA consists of schools from NC to MD which is
the East Coast.
I find it funny how some of you can judge how they cheer and why they won't go to a National competition but what do you think would happen if one of your schools played a PWC in football and you brought one of your "c**n" bands. How do you think people from the West Coast and East Coast feel about the "Hooka Hooka", "Jiggalatin", "Bunnie Hop" and all those other slave jigs you do in the club in the South. lol Its whatever.
...Carry On.."
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PWC= Primarily White College
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DaGSUMan
Feb 10, 2005
#24
DAHILL said:
They would get laughed at with that
ghetto mess.
GSU and SU always participates and never
gets laughed at. GSU and SU create great stunts and pyramids and the next year
you see the white schools doing them."
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GSU= Georgia State University (in Atlanta, Georgia)
SU= Southern University (in Baton Rouge, Louisiana)
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DAHILL
Feb 11, 2005
#25
DaGSUMan said:
GSU and SU always participates and never
gets laughed at. GSU and SU create great stunts and pyramids and the next year
you see the white schools doing them.
you misunderstood me... I was referring to the jirating booty stomp cheerleaders"
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https://www.hbcusports.com/forums/threads/hbcu-cheeleading.34603/page-2
Justin
Feb 13, 2005
#27
DaGSUMan said:
If the CIAA/MEAC schools Cheerleaders
are so good. Why is it that they don't participate for the NCA National
Chapionship?
But they have. Morgan, UMES and AT&T have done it. And from what I've seen MEAC/CIAA are totally different. MEAC is a hybrid of technical and stomp and shake. You will see stomp and shake and stunting. CIAA is ALL stomp and shake.
Morgan and Morris Brown went to NCA's on numerous occasions. I've seen them in my cheering.
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demondmccombs
Feb 14, 2005
#28
NonChalant, I'm right here here with you girl!
NorthCak, VA, DC, and Maryland....are what we call the "Middle east" !
East coast all day but not the
deep-south in attitude or lifestyle."...
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demondmccombs
Feb 14, 2005
#29
work it out
As far as cheerleading Johnson C. Smith Universtiy a stomp/shake -traditional team came in 10th at the 2000 NCA championship.
There is a time and a place NCA nationals is not the setting for throwin down. The rules and standards are clear. At your home gym. Don't ever let the other team get the best of you.
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demondmccombs
Mar 30, 2005
#35
Re: HBCU cheeleading (sorry so long)
kisskiss08 said:
Let me get this straight...so if they
cheer on a NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED level, (in other words how its done in 90% of
the world) then we are wanna be's? Let me clarify a few things....1) the
rhyming/stomping thing is NOT cheerleading. Just because they wish it doesnt make
it so. Thats just like the laker girls calling themselves cheerleader but yet
to date they have yet to do a cheer. They just dance. Thats a DANCE TEAM. What
the stepping/rhyming signifies....is a STEP TEAM. I have seen both,
participated in both. Its a glorified dance off. I would not say you do not
need any SKILL to do the latter but i will say that not many of them girls can
come out and do a roundoff back handspring back tuck into a full extension.
CHEERLEADING wheter you believe it or not is a DANGEROUS sport. (if you are any
good).
Now for the GRAMBLING HAVING THE BEST SQUAD thing....true James is a GSU alumni, but WHERE IS HE NOW. Furthermore I do not recall GSU being nationally ranked in Black college nationals AS WELL AS NCA National competitions REPEATEDLY like SU. GSU you is good but dont GLORIFY them. I have yet to see one of them partake in that same stunt aforementioned. (by the way that is a normal stunt for su).
in conclusion...CHEERLEADING IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. The latter is just meant to be "fun" I guess. Its like comparing Street Ball to NCAA standards. It doesnt happen and is pointless. You cannot play streetball at duke, lsu or even at hbcu's. You will get fouled out, kicked out the game or worse off the team. With cheerleading you could not step/rhyme at a national competition they would laugh you off the stage!
Always with us...."The white way is the right Way!!!" :splat: :splat: :splat: :splat: :splat: :splat:
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06AggieCheer
Mar 31, 2005
#41
NC A&T is a MEAC school and they
have competed in the NCA. If you have enough skill you don't have to cheer just
one way. A&T does stomp & shake, tumbles, and stunts. They do coed
stunting and all girl. Not many teams can do both. The stomp & shake
cheerleading is so precise if "white teams" saw it they probably
would be amazed!
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Discussion #2
WARNING: This discussion thread includes some profanity. However, those comments aren't quoted in this excerpt. The comments that are quoted from earlier comments are given in italics.
From https://www.hbcusports.com/forums/threads/southern-jackson-state-you-gets-no-respect-in-here.118763/ Southern-Jackson State YOU GETS NO RESPECT IN HERE!!
getuprams [discussion thread starter]
Sep 11, 2014
#11
DallasCowboyGirl said:
“So where were they at a non-Greek Step Show because that
was not cheerleading!
Yes It's Cheerleading! It has a name it's called
Stomp-n-Shake and WSSU is one of the originators of the style, It's VERY
popular in NC\VA\DC\MD\TN"
"The CIAA is famous for its Cheerleading which is SnS as oppsed to "White Girl Go Fight Win"!!
The CIAA Cheerleading Exhibition last cheer drew over 8,000 people!
However, in the late 1970s, a new style of cheerleading
emerged in North Carolina and Virginia. This African American originated style
of cheerleading is called “Stomp n Shake”. Stomp n Shake cheerleaders have the
same goals as “traditional cheerleaders” — to motivate their sports team and
raise the enthusiasm of fans. However, Stomp n Shake uses African American
dance/stepping aesthetics
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The words given in italics were given that way in that comment.
The portion of that comment which begins with the words "...cheerleaders
is a perky..." is a (unattributed) quote from me (which I wrote either for my (now retired) cocojams.com website, or the socioimages post that I authored in 2011, or from a previous pancocojams post
that I wrote about stomp & shake cheerleading.
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DallasCowboyGirl
Sep 11, 2014
#12
"Country Ghetto!"
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getuprams
Sep 11, 2014
#13
Regardless of your denial, Go Fight WIN DOES NOT
excite a black crowd. I don't know why SWAC squads continue to use there
imitation NCA style of cheerleading. It's just not INTERESTING to black people!
Cheerleading battles are a major factor in CIAA sporting events, much like Dance Lines are in the SWAC!
I guarantee you WSSU fans react more to WSSU's cheers than Southern's does when they stunt"
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getuprams
Sep 11, 2014
#14
DallasCowboyGirl said:
Country Ghetto!
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icey23
Sep 11, 2014
#15
"still ghetto in my book. Ghetto phi Stomp n
Shake"
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"Ghetto Phi" is a negative adaptation of one of
the names that Winston-Salem State University cheerleaders have used for their
cheerleading squads.
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Get ready
Sep 11, 2014
#16
Boy yall be getting it
Thats just hot and mean
Get it girl shake it
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DallasCowboyGirl
Sep 11, 2014
#22
getuprams said:
GIRL YOU LIVE IN THE DEEP SOUTH!!!! We're East Coast! LOL
I guess they don't teach geography at WSSU...Texas is not in
the deep South (it is Southwestern) Florida is deep South...Oh and (in my
highest pitch) C-Phi!
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Get Ready
Sep 12, 2014
#23
DallasCowboyGirl said:
I guess they don't teach geography at WSSU...Texas is not
in the deep South (it is Southwestern) Florida is deep South...Oh and (in my
highest pitch) C-Phi!
Florida is NOT considered the deep south
Dont listen to her GR
She a hater
Dr. Phreeze
Sep. 12, 2014
#35
GramblingMan2009 said:
Who would have thought I would see a thread on
cheerleading on the SWACPage
No Damn Body...
jsupop33
Sep 12, 2014
#35
GramblingMan2009 said:
Who would have thought I would see a thread on
cheerleading on the SWACPage
Sad day in America huh
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J-State2DaPoint
Sep 12, 2014
#38
GramblingMan2009 said:
Who would have thought I would see a thread on cheerleading
on the SWACPage.
Correction: Hbcusports.com
Its a new day. :smh:
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